YouTube Accounts Termination Update – What We May Have Learned

Posted by Paul Colligan on Monday, June 20, 2011

At the time I write this, there have been 67 comments on my previous post about YouTube Suspending and Terminating accounts. It’s a topic obviously near to my audience’s heart, so we’ll continue to examine here.

There are a couple of major themes that came up during the last week (with some commentary from me):

YouTube isn’t specific about anything right now. I really was hoping someone could point me to a specific document that I was missing that spelled things out (in terms of what we can and can’t do). Still haven’t found it yet, and at this point I’m pretty sure it doesn’t exist.

There are several other similar stories from other marketers in there. I don’t know if it’s the “thousands” of accounts others are writing about, but it certainly wasn’t isolated to just my first two examples. YouTube is actively shutting down accounts and has no “you broke rule ‘x’” process when they do. Scary.

YouTube obviously hasn’t killed all spammy videos. Here’s one that was gutsy enough to be included in my comments. Do a search in YouTube for your favorite “spammy” terms and you’ll find plenty.

Some see this as a conspiracy thing.
Yup, that’s right, some believe they’re banning vids that don’t make the money. I don’t fall into this category.

A number of comments were in the “fine, I’m gonna use someone else as my free host” category. While expected, I think those comments are missing the forest for the trees. People who are using YouTube “only” as free hosting are like people who purchase tickets at movie theaters “only” to watch the previews. Sure, you are free to do so, but this is a really really silly way to take on things.

I don’t have enough solid data to make any definitive statements, but I do “sense’ a few things that I wanted to write about:

I could only find one story of an active YouTube participant who had their account “shut down without notice.” That was David Jenyns, as you can see, his story ended up a happy one. Everything else that I read (and again, not claiming to have the whole story yet) were from users of YouTube’s hosting who didn’t participate in the community at all. Even Darren has done little with his account other than put in a background image. Again, there is so much to leverage at YouTube and I’m surprised more marketers aren’t choosing to do so.

Many of these stories have ended with the accounts coming back online. While some inferred it was their audience’s outcry that helped bring them back, I’m having a hard time believing that YouTube is really tracking these things. If was a betting man, I’d bet big money that someone got a little aggressive a few weeks back and a team came in to undo a bunch of the damage. Again, just a “gut feeling” here but I do think it makes some sense.

As one commenter wrote, “I always thought good content, comments, ratings, subscribers, and views were what YouTube looked at to determine the ‘spammy-ness’ of a YouTube video.I think the same way. With that said and done, I’ll bet it was as much Jenyns’ participation that got his account back as much as it was anything else.

Another commenter wrote “And what exactly do we learn here, Paul? :-)

Specifically, little, and that is a little scary. YouTube doesn’t have specifics about what you can and can’t do (other than copyright infringement but that has never been an issue to me) and doesn’t have to follow her 3 strikes rule for anyone. There appears to be no official process for protesting decisions and, … well, … that’s not a smart place to put your business.

However, there is a common sense element here. As examined above, I’ve never seen anyone who has been an active participant of the YouTube Community get there accounts permanently banned without reason. If you have proof otherwise, please let me know here.

I continue to recommend YouTube to everyone serious about this game. I also STRESS STRONGLY that you need to be a part of the community not just for the benefits such actions provide, but so that you’ll have more than an arbitrary chances if you get “flagged” by the machine. It is YouTube’s Pool, and I continue to play it it (and invite you to as well), but I’m going to be a bit more focused on making sure I remains friends with the pool’s owner.

And here is where you comment …

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  • http://twitter.com/ExtraLunchMoney Extra Lunch Money

    The most frustrating part about this whole experience is getting shut down and not knowing why you were shut down. We got the whole “you have 1 strike” message. But it was so vague. Looking at their guidelines doesn’t help either. According to their guidelines we didn’t violate anything. We post the interviews we do on their site so people can learn from out guests’ experience. Granted these are adult industry interviews, but they are lewd or purposely offensive. We just want to learn more about the people who work in this industry. It’s unfortunate in our case since our videos aren’t spammy and really are for educational purposes.

    We aren’t big like pro-blogger or the other guys who can make enough noise to get their accounts re-instated. We are just starting out and it feels like since they terminated us we can’t reach as large an audience as we would like. It feels like censorship.

    If you want to learn more you can read our story here: http://elmaveshow.com/youtube-terminates-our-account-hates-sex-and-hates-freedom/

    Thanks for updating us with the info you found!

  • http://www.facebook.com/dansafkow Dan Safkow

    I’ve been placing Facebook ads for the past couple of months, and about 50% of the ads I submit are not approved. Anything that hints of monetization or biz opp is denied. 

    But honestly, I like that YouTube, Facebook and Google are discouraging hype and spam, but who’s making the final editorial decisions? Is it a fresh out-of-college $15 an hour worker who staring at the ‘glowing box’ for 8 hours at a time, and what’s the explanation/appeal process? To my knowledge, there isn’t one. 

    We live in interesting content times.

  • http://www.drewgriffin.co drewmgriffin

    I like the fact that YouTube is auditing in some way. I’m concerned that the process needs some revision in light of these recent scenarios. I tend to agree that it was probably some aggressive approach to kwell the community of spammy videos and accounts. Nonetheless, we are left scratching our heads as to what just happened. For those of us that participate and submit new videos with good intentions, it remains a concern that one’s account can be suspended or terminated in such fashion. One would hope that the policies are somewhat more transparent and that we know for better or worse what was specifically violated. Common sense and community may lead to support of those that add value to the YouTube Community.

    My Plan: 

    1. Make Better Videos
    2. Make More of Them.
    3. Participate and Contribute to the Community via Commentary and Sharing.
    4. Lather, Rinse Repeat….despite being bald.

  • Anonymous

    I think you’re dead on here Dan. Don’t care what the rules are – I’m very willing to play within them – just let me know what they are so I can do just that.

  • Anonymous

    Couldn’t have put it better myself.

  • Cch130

    Paul, again, I WAS an active member of the community…commenting on other peoples channels and videos, etc.  I had a ton of friends and only about 60 + subscribers but I was participating as well as I know how.  If there is something else that I should do to be considered “active” please let me know.

  • Zzeemail

    Hey thanks for including my videos Paul.  I am glad that my content was helpful.

    I don’t know if anyone else uses the Promoted Video platform, but I have definitely noticed a slow down in ad approvals.  Still waiting on one I set up 3 days ago, but my gut tells me it has more to do with the video I promoted being on a brand new channel.  Maybe they want to check, check, and double check everything before they approve ads now.

    Anyone else experiencing the same problem?

    I noticed the same thing with the YouTube Targeting Tool if you try and ad an image in your ad. takes FOR-EV-ER!

  • Zane

    YES!  Thank you!  It seems totally backwards of YouTube to pull this.

    Doesn’t the majority of Adwords revenue to Google come from marketers like us?

    Am I totally off base here?

    If that is the case with YouTube too then why not tell us what we are doing wrong so we can fix our mistakes?

  • Anonymous

    Sorry, just missed your story in the midst of all of this. I’ll guess it was the “deadly sins” piece? Not a single email from anyone? Did you check the spam box?

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  • Anonymous

    Obviously they’re more focussed than ever before. There has to be something brewing / coming here.

  • Anonymous

    YouTube “doesn’t need us” and I mean that as matter of factually as I can. They have the wonderful ability to make long term decisions versus short term ones. Protecting YouTube has to be more important than a few bucks from you or me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=503200248 asrguy

    Hi Paul – well they decided that my 4 1/2 year running and 36,000 views “affiliate marketing explained in 2 minutes” was against “community guidelines” and now my whole account is shut down. I think any video related to affiliate marketing – even one like mine that was trying to explain the concept – could be under threat.

    To this day still no response from YouTube support people.

    It’s so ironic because that video was accepted into Google’s partner programme where they make money from the clicks – a type of affiliate marketing in itself.

    My story is here:
    http://www.affiliate-software-review.com/asrblog/this-youtube-break-up-hurts

    BR,
    Peter

  • http://www.facebook.com/lifestylementor1 Tony Short

    I think we will see some changes very soon, thanks for your insight.

  • Larry

    Hi Paul,
    After reading the information here on this page, I thought I’d better go sign up for revenue sharing.

    My video the YouTube team chose to inspect contained an audio tack of “royalty free” music purchased from DigitalJuice.com over 8 years ago.

    YouTube contacted me wanting PROOF the music was royalty free and that I owned the legal rights to use it.

    They want legal documents, the composer’s name, the name of the music, the date it was composed, links to the music on Digital Juice’s product website.

    They also told me if I can’t produce this proof, they consider me a violator of their terms of use policy.

    They added… as a violator my videos may very well be REMOVED from YouTubes website.

    Since Digital Juice no longer carries this music, I can’t prove anything.

    Because of my ignorance, I feel I just set myself up to get suspended.

    A sizable percentage of my customers are aquired from having my videos visible on YouTube.

    I wish I had left well enough alone.

    Larry T.

  • Larry

    Hi Paul,
    After reading the information here on this page, I thought I’d better go sign up for revenue sharing.

    My video the YouTube team chose to inspect contained an audio tack of “royalty free” music purchased from DigitalJuice.com over 8 years ago.

    YouTube contacted me wanting PROOF the music was royalty free and that I owned the legal rights to use it.

    They want legal documents, the composer’s name, the name of the music, the date it was composed, links to the music on Digital Juice’s product website.

    They also told me if I can’t produce this proof, they consider me a violator of their terms of use policy.

    They added… as a violator my videos may very well be REMOVED from YouTubes website.

    Since Digital Juice no longer carries this music, I can’t prove anything.

    Because of my ignorance, I feel I just set myself up to get suspended.

    A sizable percentage of my customers are aquired from having my videos visible on YouTube.

    I wish I had left well enough alone.

    Larry T.

  • http://www.facebook.com/mtnjim James Fisher

    I think Zuckerberg paid Google to do this…lol

    Mtn Jim

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for the link and story. We’re getting a decent little story put together here.

  • Anonymous

    Thrilled to help.

  • Anonymous

    Great point. Thanks for adding to the story.

  • Anonymous

    Umm, … ;-)

  • http://www.gadgetmvp.com Chris Lang

    Paul, after all the YouTube spammer software and “How to get more views” products that have come out in the last six months, like TubeFool, I have to say it’s about time.

    I know you teach whitehat YouTube tactics and so do I. But did you notice the flood of friend requests we got in January 2011? All from TubeFool and that junk product “Dominating Video”. That junk carried a massive footprint.

    I friended back all 260 spammers back then with a personal message written by hand in my YouTube inbox, not one replied. Stupid spammers……

  • Cch130

    Seeing some of the other comments, I realize that I used Tubefool for a couple months to get new friends, etc.  Could that be the reason?

  • Jonathan

    It’s not true. The Account SixPackShortcuts was shut down without notice. They had over 160000 subscribers

  • Anonymous

    Possibly.

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know if the two audiences are the same – but yeah, they’re gumming things up as well.

  • Anonymous

    Would love some more deets if you have them.

  • Bill Giles

    Hi Paul,
     You can read the sorry saga of my YT account termination here:  http://bit.ly/qtD1Gs

    Thanks,

    Bill (Certified TG Coach)

  • Anonymous

    Another one to add to the list.

  • Sandi

    Has anything new been learned since this article was published?  It was brought up on the YEN forum that Mike K is the latest banished guru- his digitalcagetv channel.  When you try to go there, you get the screen telling you that it was deleted for repeated violations of the user guidelines.  I went through all of the user guidlines and for the life of me can’t figure out what the violation could have been.  I have no idea what I need to do or NOT do to protect myself and my channel.   Any thought????  Thanks.

  • Cch130

    I’m one who was very active on YouTube with a custom channel, lots of comments on other people’s channels, subscribed and was being subscribed to and WHAM!  I’m gone.  The thing that I hate is that when someone comes to a page where my videos used to be imbedded it says something like “banned for spam, scams and commercially deceptive practices.  The only thing I can attribute the spam to is that I had been stupid enough to use TubeFool for a couple of months.  Guess I’m the TubeFool, I think that’s what got my account shut down

  • Anonymous

    Sandi. Same old story. Build a community at your site and you got a much better chance. Read everything again.

    I have yet to see someone banned (who obeyed the rules) who wasn’t using YouTube for “free hosting.” Become part of the community (and obey the rules) and an occasional sale video, etc. is fine IN MY OPINION.

  • Anonymous

    Buyer beware on those programs. I know nothing about the TubeFool product but I know they don’t promote the fact that they play within the rules.

    Play within the rules.

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