Stop Looking To iTunes - Or, Mommy, Where Do Audiences Come From?

Posted on 7:27 am by Paul Colligan

I always know we’re between a rock and a hard place when a student’s first question is “how do I get listed in iTunes?

First of all, the whole process takes about a minute and is explained here.

But the problem is simple, there is this understanding out there that you

A) Produce a Podcast
B) Submit to iTunes
C) Rake in the big money

Sorry, but it isn’t that easy.

It’s more like this.

A) Produce a Podcast that has a viable model for revenue generation.
B) Submit to iTunes so you can be found there on the tiny chance that someone might be looking for you there.
B.5) Grow an audience for your profitable Podcast the way you grow an audience for anything else.
C) Rake in the big money.

Most people get stuck on the “A” part. The rest forget the “B.5″ element.

Let’s assume you’ve got a Podcast with a viable model for revenue generation.

Heck, let’s touch on that right now …

If you’re thinking your viable model is advertising, let’s run some simple numbers on a thrice weekly show (which like 3 people have, but that’s another story all together).

Let’s assume you’re getting a very nice $20 CPM.

Let’s assume (for the sake of making the number easy), there is no cost associated with your Podcast.

Let’s assume you want to make $50k a year.

Let’s assume the industry standard 1.6 multiplier to figure out things like insurance, taxes, etc.

So, you’d need to generate $80,000.00.

3 shows a week, 50 weeks a year (take two off for vacation, etc.) is 150 shows.

This means you’d have to generate $533.33 per show.

At a $20 CPM, that means you’d need 26,666 downloads per episode.

And, don’t forget, you’re doing that 3 times a week.

If you can pull off those numbers and get those advertisers, great, but if not, you’re still stuck in part “A.”

So, back to the audience generation thing.

In our experimenting around here, you can generate, at best, about 400 new subscribers, just by being in iTunes. We’ve submitted enough shows to iTunes with no additional marketing to feel fine about that number.

So, where do the other 26,200+ subscribers come from?

Side note - now you know why I don’t really like the massive audience game in my Podcasting ventures. I look for a very profitable niche where I can still make good scratch on a 1,000 subscriberish show. Really, in the end, it is much easier.

But where do you get the audience?

iTunes ain’t bringing it to you.

Podmevio ain’t bringing it to you.

Podango ain’t bringing it to you.

Wizzard ain’t bringing it to you.

Zune ain’t bringing it to you.

Ads on a show with a smaller audience than yours ain’t bringing it to you.

Even passing out business cards at the New Media Expo isn’t where you get your audience.

So, where do you get your audience?

You have to advertise OUTSIDE of the Podcasting “Space.”

The cool thing about that option is that OUTSIDE of the Podcasting “Space” is a pretty big space.

There are billions of people there.

And they want your content.

And it ain’t iTune’s job to show them the way.

It’s yours.

So, what are you going to do about it?

Leave your comments below.

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July 8, 2008

Dave Jackson said:

Paul,
Great post. Where are your listeners? GO THERE.
Got a show with soft relaxng music? Go find the local spa.
Got a podcast about losing weight? Try a “hair salon” and put CDs in there for people to listen to on the way home in their car.
Got a podcast about families? Visit the local planned parenthood and see if you can put up a display of CDs (make sure the CD has instructions on how to get your podcast).

I have made some CDs and now have a pouch that I will stick on my car when I got into a store. I have a sign (again with magnets) that says “FREE CDs - Take ONE”

When I was teaching sales training we had a phrase “Relentless Marketing.” Know it, do it, live it.

If you can, be sure to have a way to track visitors (www.yourwebsites.com/cd or www.yourwebsite.com/car ) this way you can see what tactics are working and which ones are not.

While its fun to swap promos with other podcasters (cause we already have an audience that is educated on podcasting) - it’s time to stop preaching to the choir.

Again, great post.

- Dave Jackson

Well said.

Producing a podcast and waiting for the big bucks is a failed strategy. The podcast can’t be the sole “product.” It can be a product, but it is ALSO a channel - a tool. It is only one element of a bigger plan. The podcast has to point to a website, vidcast, forum, book, Facebook page, email sign-up, meet-up… Each of these elements has to point to the other elements. It is the combination of all of those channels and spaces that will help build an audience outside of the podcasting sphere.

If anyone is trying to make money solely with advertising, remember - Your audience is your product, not your podcast. If you don’ t have an audience, you don’t have a product.

I feel a blog post coming on…

Robin

July 9, 2008

Paul Colligan said:

Write away Robin and leave a link here please ;-)

Paul

July 9, 2008

Craig said:

I have to admit I was surprised when you said submitting a show to iTunes was probably worth about 400 listeners. Over how long? What kind of shows?

We’ve been running for a year and have around 800 on the feed. Admittedly we’re very niche and our audience isn’t neccessarily tech-savvy.

(P.S. I’d love to have a “subscribe to comments” option here.)

July 10, 2008

Martin Brossman said:

“If you build it they will come” is a cool idea for a movie but is not enough in the real world.

I want to add that making sure you have something someone truly wants to hear is a good start. I have been just interviewing local people that have something worth hearing and they are helping get the word out.

Also I created a group in linkedin.com on Podcasting Technology. It is free to join and all I ask if that you are in linkedin AND either have a podcast or plan on having one. It is free, not created with any product. Just a public service like this great blog.

Thanks!
Martin Brossman

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